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		<title>Comment on 10 characteristics of a salesman by francescociriaci</title>
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		<dc:creator>francescociriaci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately a single small lie can destroy a lot of trust and a lot of human capital... in the medium and long run is not a good strategy at all for a good salesman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately a single small lie can destroy a lot of trust and a lot of human capital&#8230; in the medium and long run is not a good strategy at all for a good salesman.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Plone vs. Sharepoint round 2: a by-platform feature comparison by francescociriaci</title>
		<link>http://francescociriaci.wordpress.com/2009/08/20/plone-vs-sharepoint-round-2-a-by-platform-feature-comparison/#comment-49</link>
		<dc:creator>francescociriaci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope someone will repeat the test with Sharepoint 10 soon. Note that this kind of test is very useful to discover if the product really does what the developers/company/producer sais it does. 
I will not say anything about IE support for HTML and CSS standards here, but the concept is clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope someone will repeat the test with Sharepoint 10 soon. Note that this kind of test is very useful to discover if the product really does what the developers/company/producer sais it does.<br />
I will not say anything about IE support for HTML and CSS standards here, but the concept is clear.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Plone vs. Sharepoint round 2: a by-platform feature comparison by Beau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will be irrelevant in 1.5 months when Sharepoint 2010 is revealed.  2010 will support Firefox and Safari out of the box.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will be irrelevant in 1.5 months when Sharepoint 2010 is revealed.  2010 will support Firefox and Safari out of the box.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Plone vs. Sharepoint round 2: a by-platform feature comparison by juh</title>
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		<dc:creator>juh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you very much for this post. Great!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Plone vs. MOSS &#8211; round 1 by francescociriaci</title>
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		<dc:creator>francescociriaci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Ken. I&#039;ve integrated your resources in my new post today: round II.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Plone vs. MOSS &#8211; round 1 by Ken Wasetis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Wasetis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 00:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an addendum...

My own two cents on the Plone vs. Sharepoint topic:
Sharepoint is still geared more toward being a document management system that lends itself toward intranet sites rather than nice-looking public-facing sites, and it lacks the sophisticated workflow and flexibility in structured content types definition and management, as well as taxonomy management that Plone provides.

Sharepoint also provides much deeper integration with Windows/Microsoft-based apps, which only makes sense.  People sometimes forget, though, that with Plone you can deploy External Editor and save Office files right from Word, Excel, PPT, etc. right back into the Plone CMS when you click the Save icon in Word, Excel, etc.  PloneDesktop is another tool that provides a level of Windows desktop integration (file check-in/check-out, etc.) via WebDAV.

There is a helpful Sharepoint calculator that I ran across some time ago that can help you in assisting your clients in comparing the cost of implementing MOSS vs. Plone as well:
http://community.bamboosolutions.com/blogs/sharepoint-price-calculator/default.aspx

If a client is evaluating Plone vs. MOSS as DMS/Intranet options, then it can be a tougher call and MOSS is more compelling.  For external-facing sites, it&#039;s tough to beat Plone.

Also, in my opinion, while Plone can do what MOSS does, outside of some of the deeper integration features, Plone blows it away still for dynamic public sites - especially those with Web 2.0 / community requirements.  The tool that is more similar to MOSS in the open source world is Alfresco (more geared toward document management.)

You might want to take a look at the comparison done on those two tools by CMSWire, as it might add to the conversation regarding Plone vs. MOSS as well:
http://www.cmswire.com/cms/enterprise-cms/sharepoint-vs-alfresco-a-platform-perspective-004549.php

-Ken</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an addendum&#8230;</p>
<p>My own two cents on the Plone vs. Sharepoint topic:<br />
Sharepoint is still geared more toward being a document management system that lends itself toward intranet sites rather than nice-looking public-facing sites, and it lacks the sophisticated workflow and flexibility in structured content types definition and management, as well as taxonomy management that Plone provides.</p>
<p>Sharepoint also provides much deeper integration with Windows/Microsoft-based apps, which only makes sense.  People sometimes forget, though, that with Plone you can deploy External Editor and save Office files right from Word, Excel, PPT, etc. right back into the Plone CMS when you click the Save icon in Word, Excel, etc.  PloneDesktop is another tool that provides a level of Windows desktop integration (file check-in/check-out, etc.) via WebDAV.</p>
<p>There is a helpful Sharepoint calculator that I ran across some time ago that can help you in assisting your clients in comparing the cost of implementing MOSS vs. Plone as well:<br />
<a href="http://community.bamboosolutions.com/blogs/sharepoint-price-calculator/default.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://community.bamboosolutions.com/blogs/sharepoint-price-calculator/default.aspx</a></p>
<p>If a client is evaluating Plone vs. MOSS as DMS/Intranet options, then it can be a tougher call and MOSS is more compelling.  For external-facing sites, it&#8217;s tough to beat Plone.</p>
<p>Also, in my opinion, while Plone can do what MOSS does, outside of some of the deeper integration features, Plone blows it away still for dynamic public sites &#8211; especially those with Web 2.0 / community requirements.  The tool that is more similar to MOSS in the open source world is Alfresco (more geared toward document management.)</p>
<p>You might want to take a look at the comparison done on those two tools by CMSWire, as it might add to the conversation regarding Plone vs. MOSS as well:<br />
<a href="http://www.cmswire.com/cms/enterprise-cms/sharepoint-vs-alfresco-a-platform-perspective-004549.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.cmswire.com/cms/enterprise-cms/sharepoint-vs-alfresco-a-platform-perspective-004549.php</a></p>
<p>-Ken</p>
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		<title>Comment on Plone vs. MOSS &#8211; round 1 by Ken Wasetis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Wasetis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 00:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Francesco, 

I hope you&#039;ve been well.  Sorry to just now be stumbling upon your blog post on this subject.  There was a pretty nice in-depth account by one of the folks at Idealware.org that provided some insights into what situations they were more likely to leverage Sharepoint vs. Plone, Drupal, or other open source tools.  

Idealware generally helps non-profits evaluate different types of software in order to get the most of their technology investments.  They put together a nice, free evaluation report of free open source software (FOSS) CMS solutions too.  I list both links below.

Here is the &#039;Why Sharepoint Scares Me&#039; blog post:
http://www.idealware.org/blog/2009/07/why-sharepoint-scares-me.html

The open source CMS evaluation report:
http://www.idealware.org/comparing_os_cms/

They allowed my firm, Contextual, to redistribute their report at the CMSExpo that we sponsored/had a booth at this past Spring, so if you find it useful and contact them, you might want to do the same.  The report was funded by all sorts (200+) vendors, received input by experts on each of the CMS tools reviewed, and is quite objective and pretty accurate in my opinion.

Their Reports and Articles section is a treasure trove, so I spread the word when I can.

-Ken</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Francesco, </p>
<p>I hope you&#8217;ve been well.  Sorry to just now be stumbling upon your blog post on this subject.  There was a pretty nice in-depth account by one of the folks at Idealware.org that provided some insights into what situations they were more likely to leverage Sharepoint vs. Plone, Drupal, or other open source tools.  </p>
<p>Idealware generally helps non-profits evaluate different types of software in order to get the most of their technology investments.  They put together a nice, free evaluation report of free open source software (FOSS) CMS solutions too.  I list both links below.</p>
<p>Here is the &#8216;Why Sharepoint Scares Me&#8217; blog post:<br />
<a href="http://www.idealware.org/blog/2009/07/why-sharepoint-scares-me.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.idealware.org/blog/2009/07/why-sharepoint-scares-me.html</a></p>
<p>The open source CMS evaluation report:<br />
<a href="http://www.idealware.org/comparing_os_cms/" rel="nofollow">http://www.idealware.org/comparing_os_cms/</a></p>
<p>They allowed my firm, Contextual, to redistribute their report at the CMSExpo that we sponsored/had a booth at this past Spring, so if you find it useful and contact them, you might want to do the same.  The report was funded by all sorts (200+) vendors, received input by experts on each of the CMS tools reviewed, and is quite objective and pretty accurate in my opinion.</p>
<p>Their Reports and Articles section is a treasure trove, so I spread the word when I can.</p>
<p>-Ken</p>
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		<title>Comment on 10 characteristics of a salesman by Nuno Teixeira</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nuno Teixeira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about:

11. A good liar</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about:</p>
<p>11. A good liar</p>
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		<title>Comment on Plone vs. MOSS &#8211; round 1 by Dave Lane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 09:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, I agree heartily with your points. I&#039;ve run an open source company since 1998, and we have a lot of customers who have made the decision to take control of their own fates by migrating to (primarily) open source IT infrastructure. We aim to forge ongoing partnerships with our customers - and yes, relative size *does* matter.  One of the things our customers say they like most about our business model is that, in supplying open source, open standards-based tools, we have no lock in.  Instead, we have this novel approach: we trade on the possibility that they&#039;ll really like working with us because we&#039;re competent, provide good service, and they trust us to do the right thing. Which, I suppose, isn&#039;t really lock-in at all.  It&#039;s just the way most of the rest of the world does (or should do) business, at least outside of the IT monopolies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, I agree heartily with your points. I&#8217;ve run an open source company since 1998, and we have a lot of customers who have made the decision to take control of their own fates by migrating to (primarily) open source IT infrastructure. We aim to forge ongoing partnerships with our customers &#8211; and yes, relative size *does* matter.  One of the things our customers say they like most about our business model is that, in supplying open source, open standards-based tools, we have no lock in.  Instead, we have this novel approach: we trade on the possibility that they&#8217;ll really like working with us because we&#8217;re competent, provide good service, and they trust us to do the right thing. Which, I suppose, isn&#8217;t really lock-in at all.  It&#8217;s just the way most of the rest of the world does (or should do) business, at least outside of the IT monopolies.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Plone vs. MOSS &#8211; round 1 by Matt Hamilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 10:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding Dave&#039;s comment above:

&quot;...poor support for “small” players (i.e. anyone outside the US and EU)...&quot;

One great tip from a presentation I went to on running a successful CMS procurement was to find a company that &#039;fits&#039; your organisation.  And one aspect of that is the size of the company.

If you are a small business and you go to some large vendor they are unlikely to give you all the attention you need, you are just small fry to them.  On the flip side if you are a massive corporation, you are not going to want to go with a one-man-band for support.

*This* is one of the key elements of Open Source, that there are hundreds of companies out there, from one-man-bands to large consultancies who can help you.  So even within a single product you have a choice of vendors.

With Plone there are hundreds of companies listed on plone.net and probably the same number again not listed there.  You can pick one that fits your business in terms of size, ethics, location etc.

At Netsight, we&#039;ve referred potential clients on to other Plone companies we know if they are a better fit for them (and indeed one of our largest clients was referred to us by Francesco as we were closer to the client).

Again, it all comes down to choice.  Open source gives you the flexibility to choose your development partner.  And to change it.  Should you find that for some reason the company you originally picked isn&#039;t working out for you (maybe you outgrew them, or they are too busy, or just a clash of personalities) then you can switch to another company without having to change your technology stack.

-Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Dave&#8217;s comment above:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;poor support for “small” players (i.e. anyone outside the US and EU)&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>One great tip from a presentation I went to on running a successful CMS procurement was to find a company that &#8216;fits&#8217; your organisation.  And one aspect of that is the size of the company.</p>
<p>If you are a small business and you go to some large vendor they are unlikely to give you all the attention you need, you are just small fry to them.  On the flip side if you are a massive corporation, you are not going to want to go with a one-man-band for support.</p>
<p>*This* is one of the key elements of Open Source, that there are hundreds of companies out there, from one-man-bands to large consultancies who can help you.  So even within a single product you have a choice of vendors.</p>
<p>With Plone there are hundreds of companies listed on plone.net and probably the same number again not listed there.  You can pick one that fits your business in terms of size, ethics, location etc.</p>
<p>At Netsight, we&#8217;ve referred potential clients on to other Plone companies we know if they are a better fit for them (and indeed one of our largest clients was referred to us by Francesco as we were closer to the client).</p>
<p>Again, it all comes down to choice.  Open source gives you the flexibility to choose your development partner.  And to change it.  Should you find that for some reason the company you originally picked isn&#8217;t working out for you (maybe you outgrew them, or they are too busy, or just a clash of personalities) then you can switch to another company without having to change your technology stack.</p>
<p>-Matt</p>
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